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Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Daniel Nashed  17 April 2013 16:23:38



The last available Designer Help in the "classical" NSF based format is 8.5.1. Since then IBM started to move to the Eclipsed based help system.
This can have advantages but many developers still like to have also a NSF based version because searching/etc in the Eclipse help is not that flexible.

With Notes 9 most information -- including @Formula, Lotus-Script, Java Class documentation has been completely removed from the NSF help.

And if you have lost your old 8.5.1 documentation due to the updated you need to get a copy of the older ( IBM says legacy) NSF help database.
At least the uploaded the older version to developer works.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/lotus/documentation/dominodesigner/

I am not happy at all with this move and I would wish that IBM would continue using NSF for documentation.
This is true for the Designer help and also Admin help. Right now already a lot of information is only available in the Wiki, which is much harder to keep track of and find.

-- Daniel

Comments

1Ulrich Krause  17.04.2013 18:37:12  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

>> I am not happy at all with this move and I would wish that IBM would continue using NSF for documentation

I completely agree. Designer Help becam completely useless. I'm glad to have a copy of the "old" nsf

2Ray Bilyk  17.04.2013 21:42:05  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

RIGHT ON! Bring back the .NSF Help, IBM!!!

3Sean Cull  17.04.2013 21:52:04  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

I agree too, I just can't get along with the new help - it is much less efficient to use.

4Mick Moignard  17.04.2013 21:54:07  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

And it sucks. Keep the 8.5.3 Designer Help DB before you upgrade.

5Stephan H. Wissel  18.04.2013 3:35:09  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Smells like a hack-friday project. Write a generic plug-in for Eclipse that you can point to an Eclipse help system and it would suck it into an NSF?

6Christian Henseler  18.04.2013 10:03:09  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Not even they have crippled the nsf based help files a lot of admin/developers rely on and prefer, they have changed the Content to potential dangerous formats, which cannot be used if such programs are not installed for security reasons or are not available for a platform.

IBM: Bring back the NSF Help!

7Brian Moore  18.04.2013 16:59:05  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Here! Here! I've never been able to find anything in the new help. It's left us Eclipsed and in darkness, unable to find what we need.

I just went to the new "Index" and typed in "Now". In the real help that takes me to the Now function in formula and LotusScript. In the new one typing "Now" into the index (all topic, btw) gives me "Notifications (calendar/out-of-office)" then "NWSPX".

@Stephan: I think the opposite is needed - take the NSF and use it to replace the Eclipse crap. It would be out of date, but more useful than the current muck.

Cheers,

Brian

8Darren Duke  18.04.2013 18:00:25  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Yes, utter tosh. The swing and a miss that is the Eclipse help has always been bad. IBM, you really need to evaluate this decision. Misguided at best....

9Urs Meli  18.04.2013 18:06:12  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

me too.

Bring back the NSF Help or fix the Eclipse help to be as fast and easy as the old NSF.

10Paul Withers  18.04.2013 18:11:52  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

The key #fail with the Eclipse-based help is that Domino development for client or XPages has a host of @formulae. But the Eclipse searches, like web searches, ignore the @ symbol. So searching for @Text - even restricted to the formula language section - seems to return any page that has the word "text" in it. Ouch!

11David Morton  18.04.2013 18:12:04  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

I guess I'm not seeing the problem?

For example, from Designer I select Help-->Help Contents and perform a search for "Now". My top three results are "@Now (JavaScript)", "Examples: Now function", and "@Now (Formula Language)".

Was the old NSF-based help returning much better results?

12Janko Stefancic  18.04.2013 18:13:38  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Same here - why rip&replace something that's been around for years... bring it back!

13Janko Stefancic  18.04.2013 18:13:39  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Same here - why rip&replace something that's been around for years... bring it back!

14Amy Hoerle  18.04.2013 19:49:59  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

I completely agree! I don't get into designer very often these days and was completely shocked by how much more difficult the help was to use.

15David Morton  18.04.2013 21:05:47  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Ah, I see now. You were accessing the NSF-based help completely outside of designer. The help_designer.nsf under the help\directory.

Tell me, what was/is the advantage of using the NSF-based help over the Eclipse-based help?

16Simon O’Doherty  19.04.2013 9:40:28  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

There were optimizations done to the Eclipse help in ND9.

First subject titles were changed to signify the related language, as @David Morton points out earlier.

Second you can specify filters for what you want to search on by default. So if you plan to never code in LotusScript you can remove it from your help.

Example:

{ Link }

17Simon O’Doherty  19.04.2013 9:46:03  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

@Christian Henseler

> they have changed the Content to potential dangerous formats, which cannot be used if such programs are not installed for security reasons or are not available for a platform.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

18Christian Henseler  20.04.2013 17:14:15  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

@Simon O'Doherty:

I have to withdraw my Statement " they have changed the Content to potential dangerous formats, which cannot be used if such programs are not installed for security reasons or are not available for a platform.".

It's not content in the Designer Help itself, but some of the external links.

19Jérôme Deniau  19.06.2013 12:05:56  Domino Designer Help has been moved completely to Eclipse help in Notes 9.0

Well where is the problem indeed? It works fine, indexing takes 2ms whilst nsf indexing takes 1/2 an hour, samples work fine, I find the correct info the right way while the nsf was a mess.

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